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Thoughts about strength and power
Jim O'Malley -- 2004.05.04Seen on the GoHeavy Olympic forum, an interesting tidbit ...
Matt,
I disagree with what you have said in your post. I hope you understand that
what I will say is only my opinion and is certainly NOT meant as a personal
attack on you or anyone else.
This will probably be somewhat lengthy so I apologize in advance but
hopefully those who take an opposite stance will be open minded enough to
read another point of view.
I would not say that PL is better or worse than OL, it is just different. It
requires a different type of strength than OL (absolute vs. explosive). When
someone deadlifts a heavy weight the goal is to overcome the inertia of the
weight and then to just keep it moving while in OL you have to accelerate
the weight in order to effectively move under the bar.
There is no correlation between the ability to display great strength and
the ability to display it quickly.
Kirk Karwoski (many times world powerlifting champ) trained at the same gym
as I did (Maryland Athletic Club in Beltsville Md) from 1990 to 2000.
Karwoski was incredibly strong. Over the years I saw him perform such feats
as squat 1,000 lbs for a double (he weighed only 275lbs), deadlift 750lbs
for a triple, incline press 425lbs for five reps, and bench 600lbs. And by
his own admission, he was atrociously bad at OL. If he was lucky he could
snatch 90kg and C&J 120kg but he himself realized that the type of strength
needed to excel in OL was in complete contrast to the type of strength he
had developed over the course of his powerlifting career.
In the mid 70's I was an 82.5kg OL and I trained with two other guys in the
same weight class for two years. They were Al Starck (originally from
Central Falls and a student of Joe Mills) and Fred Hatfield (now perhaps
better known as Dr Squat).Fred was tremendously strong. He did pulls and
squats with very heavy weights but they were weights that bore no relation
to what he could actually snatch or C&J. Al, on the other hand, did none of
this. Fred was certainly much stronger than Al was, but in terms of speed
and explosiveness there was no comparison. Fred never even came close to
beating Al in any OL contest. His method of training was detremental to the
type of strength he needed to succeed at OL, but not for PL. I do not think
it was a coincidence that Fred later went on to become a top level
powerlifter and to squat 1000 lbs at age 45.
In my own case I only lifted seriously for 4 years (1973-77)and I employed
what I term the brute force methods that have been advocated by some on this
board recently. By brute force I mean trying to lift as heavy as I could as
often as I could. And (for a while) it seemed to work. After three years I
did 132.5+172.5 = 305kg as a 82.5kg lifter. My best squat (for a single) was
222.5kg I was then advised that my legs were too weak. So in my final year
of training I repeatedly performed Maslaev's nine week Russian squat routine
and raised my squat to 235kg for five reps. The impact on my lifts was
negligible. I added 5kg to each doing 137.5 and 177.5 in April 1977. I was
only 23 but I felt like I was about 63 as a result of this approach.
But the best example I can tell you about that refutes the notion that high
levels of absolute strength are needed to become a world class lifter is
Mark Cameron. Mark (also from Central Falls and a Joe Mills pupil) never
pulled or squatted or pressed with weights that were out of line with what
he could actually do in the classical lifts. He never overpowered weights,
yet he the lifted the heaviest of weights with an almost effortless ease.
Mark himself once put it this way : "I can do a limit lift and it would look
as though I could do 100lbs more but if I put on an extra 2.5lbs it would
look as though I could NOT do 100lbs less." That is how fine tuned he felt
you needed to be to excel at OL at a high level.
There was another guy who trained at our old Dynamo Gym in College Park, Md
in the 70's named Ed Schock. Ed trained at both OL and PL and was pretty
good at both. Ed could move under the bar with fantastic speed in the OL but
he had to because all his powerlifting had almost destroyed his ability to
accelerate the barbell at the top of the pull. One day Ed and Mark had a
deadlifting contest. Ed deadlifted 600lbs for eight reps while Mark FAILED
to make even one rep with the weight. About ten days later thet got into a
clean contest. Ed made 385lbs but he turned about six shaded of red while
doing it. Mark, on the other hand) cleaned 450 so fast and easy that if you
blinked you would have missed it. In fact on the way up he did 250lbs and
350lbs and I could see no difference between them and the 450. I really
learned something that day from watching that.
One last guy who trained in a vein similar to Al and Mark was the late,
great Bob Bednarski. I guess that is enough said. Bob was also from Central
Falls and Joe Mills. Think maybe Joe Mills knew something that most others
didn't ??
I have used these examples both because I think they are relevant to the
point in question and because I just like to tell a few stories every now
and then.
However, in my opinion, the real flaw in the argument as put forth by
yourself and Mr Burgener, and Mr Gough is that you focus on strength
training to develop high levels of muscular strength without taking into
consideration the effect this has on the nervous system. A first rate
explanation of the whole process can be found in "Quantum Strength and Power
Training" by Pat O'Shea (Professor Emeritus of Exercise Physiology and
lifelong lifting enthusiast) see chapter 2 "Neuromuscular and
neuropsychological basis of strength".
I have been involved in T&F for some time as well as OL. The T&F experience
really taught me alot about the importance of properly training the nervous
system. The general rule in T&F is that one should never use assistive or
resistive means that will either slow you down or speed you up more than 10%
from your optimal performance level. For example, you will never see a shot
putter throwing a 24lb shot (50% over the normal size). For one thing they
are not even manufactured, but that is for a reason. There is NO demand for
them at all as they simply destroy throwing technique by drmatically
altering the motor pattern required for top notch shot putting. Basically it
makes you very slow (at least in a realtive sense and that is the key).
The same principle applies to OL. One single rep in the sn or clean pull
will slow your ability to properly accelerate the bar (the way you need to
to actually snatch or clean it) by about 13% (i.e. the 10% rule has already
been violated). Many people perform pulls with weights of 120% and more for
MULTIPLE reps so you can just imagine the degree to which this alters the
motor pattern needed to effectively snatch or clean weights that are 95-100%
of their best.
But was makes this so damaging is the fact that a motor skill engram is
developed that PERMANENTLY hardwires the body to perform in this less than
optimal framework. A motor skill engram is a learned movement pattern stored
in the prefrontal cortex as memories. Once a complex movement pattern (good
or bad) has been learned by the sensory cortex, the memory engram of the
pattern will be used to activate the motor system to perform the SAME
sequential pattern. These are messages that are sent AUTOMATICALLY and once
ingrained they are notoriously difficult to reverse.
Training with light (50-65%) weights to get faster also yields a training
effect that is low but for a different reason (lack of muscular tension that
is induced) yet Louis Simmons in his article "If I trained Olympic Lifters"
advocates combining light lifts with extremely haevy pulls and squats. In my
opinion, this is the worst of both worlds.
So to sum up I guess I would just say that it is sad to me to watch yet
another generation of young lifters be taught training methods that have
both proven themselves to be less than effective from past results and that
are fundamentally unsound from a scientific perspective.
Thanks for taking the time to read.
Jim O'Malley
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